Giant website says to deal with my shop. For the power meter, I ended up deciding on the Pioneer. I noticed this thanks to the lockdown, and I decided to bolt my Assioma’s up to my trainer bike. You’ll never hit that before you move on to something else. I reviewed them as well this past summer and found their accuracy solid (and moveability also solid). I would not recommend Vector 3 pedals and being one of the owners with issues, I'm sad to see Ray recommend them. Hands-on: SRM’s new EXAKT Power Meter Pedals (June) Relevant Reviews: Quarq DZero Power Meter In-Depth Review, First Ride: Quarq’s New DZero Power Meter Series, Quarq introduces new $799 RIKEN AL power meter, Quarq/SRAM RED Review, Quarq RIKEN In-Depth Review, Eurobike 2014 Power Meter Roundup: Quarq News. That’s assuming your Kickr does the same as mine when it’s cold…. No more no less. For the left-only, sure, but take the exact same general left-only comments I made for Stages and apply them here. It handles the beating and all like a champ, but it seem to have issues with very low cadence. Last month (October 2018) they introduced the PowerTap P2 pedals which shaved a bit of weight off and slightly increased battery life. Correct – the EU/UK side does permit it. In addition, this fall they rolled out support for their pedaling metrics to the Wahoo BOLT/ELEMNT series, which is a major win for the company. These former MIT students have the foundation for a potential power meter company and product, and were able to demonstrate it to me both indoors and outdoors. Some are linear and measure deflection in one direction. We understand your frustration and will get this sorted out. These days the PowerTap G3 hub products ship with a dual-capable ANT+/BLE cap. Performance & security by Cloudflare, Please complete the security check to access. Pedal Smoothness & Torque Efficiency: These two metrics are available in the high-end power meters which contain true left/right power measurement as well as a supported head unit. Assuming you have a compatible crankset, that undercuts even the cheapest Power2Max NGeco by a fair margin, especially when you consider that you don’t have to sweat a possible bottom bracket swap, and makes it easily the most affordable combined L/R option available here. gen 3 stages power r | shimano xt m8120 single driveside power meter with chainring $449.99 GEN 3 STAGES POWER L | STAGES CARBON POWER METER FOR 30MM - SRAM, RACE FACE NEXT SL, & … It’s where I round-up every cycling power meter on the market, and talk through what’s happened in the last year. As many know, Stages really started the whole left-only trend, in that it’s attached to your left crank-arm (seen above), and thus is only measuring the left leg power. This makes it easy to move between bikes, but also makes it difficult if you have separate training and racing wheels – ultimately costing one of those two situations to lose out on power. Any left-side crank-arm power meters out there? Some days it’s rock-on perfect. Now I have used it for several years without ever having a single problem other than changing batteries maybe once a year. Advantages: Built atop the well understood 4iiii power meter design, coin-cell battery for those that like that. Stages L Carbon Power Meters and spindles compatible with … And while things seemed fantastic at first (for the company and users alike), it wasn’t until January that everything basically fell apart. Have owned them for nearly a year, only had to charge them 3 times. Do you have any updates on the Garmin Vector 3 power meter ? But, what about the brand vs brand issue, is the difference between the two really significant enough to worry about? The Stages Power meter will also mate to the Hollowgram SISL2 model crank. It handles everything I throw at it with ease. For me, it has a high ‘just works’ factor. The company hasn’t really made any notable changes this year to their lineup, though the units still remain a viable option. Power2Max has been on the scene for roughly a little over 6 years now. changing bikes or not). Otherwise, your comments are noted and appreciated but off point; and I would really rather not chase the wrong rabbit down the wrong hole. I had from the outset requested a full refund. Nonetheless, here’s what’s in the theoretical pipeline. I also thought the power reading was incorrect and had dubious battery life. I was wondering if you had noticed anything around life expectancies of the various types. The strain gauges in DFPM measure force at the point of measurement. This one started as a Kickstarter campaign, failed to get enough funding, but kept developing in the dark. With an offset resolution of 0.1 Nm, error and possible jump of power are near 0.1/6~1.5% (not a good deal when you target less than 1% precision on CdA). Any left-side crank-arm power meters out there? I am so confused, and a bit of a neophyte, but hopefully you (or someone here) can help. I had mine for a few months, worked well, was happy… until a stupid (wet weather) slip where I landed on hand/knee/racebend… and Garmin pedal. I’ve not heard any credible rumors as to them working with anyone to build it (which would have helped build credibility). I have decided that I want to buy a Pioneer Powermeter but I could not find any seller/dealer in Europe. Worse is that powertap have no interest in assisting me. Required fields are marked.If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web. I am sorry to say that, because PowerTap hubs are just perfect for any other use cases. But wait, are you a female and feel like these things might not apply to you? I’m trying to retrofit an internal spin bike (Lifecycle GX) for Zwift. This past summer SRM introduced not just a pedal-based power meter, but the technology platform for what the company views as the next evolution of all their power meters. Calibration options: All units on the market today support some sort of calibration function, though to what extent is what differs. Some devices will incorrectly double power via Bluetooth Smart too. These significantly increased transmission over ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart, hoping to resolve connectivity issues that have challenged many Stages owners over the years. It’s as simple as that. It is much better now with a crank PM. Some have seen very minor delays in track-start type situations, but I think that’s very limited in scope. Yup, they are: It sounds like the number of customers that did have issues was likely in the 10-20% range. Ultimately, I don’t have concerns recommending new Garmin Vector 3 pedals in late 2018, but I certainly wouldn’t buy someone’s used on eBay – god only knows what that person might have done to them along the way. I like the concept, but I’m not sold on the current pricing model. Of course, Giant is a big company and has plenty of resources to get the job done. Not sure I follow, it’s listed here: link to dcrainmaker.com, (The company name is Verve, so it’s under them), In the beginning you list power meters based on placement – Verve InfoCrank is not mentioned. For example, it’d be silly to go out and buy Garmin Vector or Favero Assioma pedals if you’re looking to put it on a mountain bike. Worst part about Power2Max is that it’s not easy to figure out what you need for a Shimano groupset. I have a handfull of rides, where I have 1200-1500 watt spikes, with 130-140 rpm cadence. This unit ships with the chainrings, per the pod you can see attached to the chainrings above. Better though is that they came in at $795USD for the dual leg set, the lease expensive dual-power meter pedal option on the market. If you’re new around these parts, here’s the long version of my story. The CR2032 battery is good for about 2,000km and they even send you a spare. When this didn’t work it was deemed dead but they did offer me a 20% discount to buy another one. Just works. Versus if a product is simply a slight model change by the same company (i.e. Yet, we still don’t see other power meters using it? Lastly, we’ve got power meters that are currently in a pending shipping state. Also note that I’ve updated sections as appropriate for this year, but for products that haven’t changed, I’m not going to re-invent the text just to re-invent that text. So much for that. We’ll start with products that you can effectively take home today. Some guages are circular and measure deflection in all directions. Found one more crank arm – link to inpeak.pl Not sure how accurate they’re. I’m just saying trust…but verify. Overall, it appears the the 4iiiis has slightly greater variability then the PowerTap but that’s just seat of the pants. Are the PowerTap C1’s available outside of North America? Let’s say your pedaling is fairly smooth, will the numbers vary up and down by 10? Otherwise it is obviously very easy to install and to maintain. Riders looking to add power to their existing Cannondale Hollowgram SI 3D forged crank need only select length of the non-drive power meter to match their existing crank. In either case, for most people, this section will help narrow down the selection a bit. Anyway, enough ranting, thanks for the guide Ray ! So here is the most up to date list of products I like and fit the bill for me and my training needs best! They usually bring enough to a trade show to easily pedal and show on a big screen, but no place to actually order them. I was running the v2 battery caps, but the alloy is so soft you’ll easily damage it with your allen key. I may still end up going with the Stages L/R on my road bike anyway, but your advice will factor into my decision. I’d rather spend that time eating cookies and ice cream. My In-Depth review can be found here, as well as the boatloads of people in the comments who are largely quite happy with the device. The company does though sell complete cranksets (like the above pictured one) ready to go, but of course since that includes the crankset, it’ll cost ya a bit more. Long term review of my Stages Cycling Power meter. This single-sided power meter works with Cannondale Hollowgram Si cranksets … Thus the name of non-Direct Force Power Meters (DFPM). The Stages Cannondale Hollowgram Si Power Meter is a BB30 compatible upgrade for existing Cannondale 2014 Hollowgram Si model cranks. Non-direct Force Power Meters: PowerPod, iBike, Arofly, PowerCal. The PowerTap C1, all Power2Max units, and all SRAM/Quarq models currently on the market use this method. I got my avio powersense power meter back in the post yesterday. However, I lost the battery covers to both power meters a couple months ago, so didn’t ride those bikes outside to avoid getting water in them and rendering the power meters useless. Cannot compare it to any other PMs, but it works very well IMO. But if you didn’t have a compatible crankset, then it wasn’t on the table. Thus they are more estimations (albeit some highly accurate) than actual force measurement devices. Stages Power provides a clear path to a rider’s cycling goals. I also just put together my complete ‘Gear I Use’ equipment list, from swim to bike to run and everything in between (plus a few extra things). Did I miss something? I am willing to only get gear for my Fargo for now. For example, some watches don’t support left/right data via Bluetooth Smart, and other devices can’t properly calibrate via Bluetooth Smart. That made me mad, as my hubs will become obsolete. But, do power meters measure power in both/all directions or just while pushing? The good news is that SRM does see these updates to their technology coming to their crankset lineup (including things like dual ANT+/Bluetooth Smart), though, there isn’t yet a timeframe for it. In some ways, it’s just as difficult to understand a pattern from Garmin either at this point. Then this past summer they issued yet another update adding in new Zwift Bluetooth Smart compatibility, as well as a slew of features via their desktop app. The new Gen 3 single-sided Stages Power meter for Cannondale Si Stages Power meter is built on to a non-drive-side Cannondale Si crank arm and is compatible with existing Cannondale Hollowgram Si … However, if you have the dual-leg setup, that’s not a concern. reliable, precise, going strong also after many years of use Hassle free, simple to use. Advantages: One of the least expensive power meters on the market today from $399USD. Cost is certainly a factor I am pivoting around, as I would rather not be swapping cranks, pedals etc before heading into a session outside or on the bike. What are the issues w/ using elliptical chainrings on dual sided power meters such as Pioneer or Quarq that Rotor has resolved? Obviously, it showed it performed well, but if you dig into the details they didn’t hide the areas that it struggled slightly with either – so that’s actually good. You’re lucky if you raise your leg fast enough to keep from producing a downward force on the rising pedal. Looking for the best sports tech deals for the holidays? Left only, cheap.. This is mainly to reduce incompatibility issues. What’s more important though these days (if looking to buy Vector 3) is how many new customers are having issues. Specifically hoping you have had a chance to review the Tempo, which seems to be the best option for my custom application. There are downsides to left-only, but it’s a great introduction to power, and Stages often has really good deals on previous year models on their site. We know that the offset in powermeter varies with temperature. Note, this list is arranged in no particular order, you can use the sidebar shortcuts to quickly skip to different products. And I suppose being all-Shimano purchasing/distribution, one vendor to deal with for the issues you’ll have. Finally, there’s been a handful of folks that have seen issues with play in the spindle, though that’s largely dissipated in the two years. The 2INPower system is unique in that it’s one of the few power meters to actually work with elliptical chainrings (of which ROTOR is famous for). Strain guages can absolutely be programmed to measure deflection based on multiple parameters and in single or multiple directions dependent on the placement and type of guage being used. Thanks for such complete feedback, it really helps. The only downside compared to Vector is that it’s not quite as sleek, nor does it have Cycling Dynamics. You have the same problem with everything that’s measured. Typically power meter companies work for years to get accuracy nailed down. The company hasn’t stopped there though. It’s three models of left-only crank arm power meters like Stages/Avio/4iiii between 300 and 400 USD. With the exception of very specific technical use-cases that other power meters can’t fulfill (higher speed recording rates with older head units), I feel that for 98% of the market today, there are more budget-friendly options that are just as accurate. Though, priced from $599USD for the unit itself, it’s a bit more than those companies. New generation with improved Gen3 power meter! With ANT+ you can use any head unit you’d like, and aren’t limited to just the SRM head units. It’s a seemingly simple device, just stuck on the inside of your non-drive crank arm to measure left leg power by way of the crank’s deformation. I was coming from a PowerPod (actually a Newton, but samesies). Is that normal? Will you test our product before release? I’m now locked in a dispute with them. After having bought a used PowerTap P1 set earlier in the year for buttons I was the cat that got the cream. Advantages: Shimano variants are easily moved from bike to bike with a simple Allen/hex wrench. For example, my pedals seem to wear out as I would think anything with bearings, hubs, chainrings… would that make the crank arm a better long term investment? I really don’t know how it pays them at that price. Good call, will add it in somewhere here in the morning. I thought that was just for the fitting, on top of the price of the power meter? I use the Xcadey powermeter since March and I concur with this conclusion. In the spring of 2017 they started shipping their own Team Zwatt units to customers, and it sounds like things are mostly chugging along smoothly these days. This past winter Specialized decided to get into the power meter game themselves. I love the details that you go into ! 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